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Michigan is the “Great Lakes” state. It is the bountiful water we are surrounded by that is Michigans greatest resource after its citizens.

Surely there are better, safer, and more sane ways to move this fuel than through an aging pipeline. Governor Snyder agreement did nothing to remove the risk of a horrible pipeline leak.

Didn’t we learn anything from the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico?

Joyce and Tim Spears

I am doing a project on Line 5. could you keep me in touch with this stuff?

Are you pro-environmental? Do you think that Enbridge should replace Line 5?

As a Twitter user I recently received a tweet from none other than the celebrity Susan Sarandon voicing her concern regarding the Dakota Access pipeline whch has leaked at least five times so far in 2017. I retweeted her about our problem here & invited her to come and see for herself. I also provided her with a link to oilandwaterdontmix.org.

Seriously? You’re having a gathering at The Capitol to make a statement and you can’t provide people with more than a few hours notice about the rally? That is called LACK of organization which indicates this group is not going to be effective.

I posted this in several places on Face Book. See below re ?s ask by MRG poling.


Today is the last day for public comments on Line 5: http://www.oilandwaterdontmix.org/submit_your_line_5_comment?splash=1


I was just questioned by a worker for MRG, a polling company.


The way questions are asked has a big influence on the answers. Many of the questions had false premises, that is, the information read before the question included misleading statements and falsehoods. The poll was clearly designed to elicit responses more favorable than the facts warrant, and its results will likely be used in new releases and to craft Enbridge PR:


This is one of the more telling questions asked:


Recently the State of Michigan and Enbridge reached an agreement to protect the Great Lakes and to keep the public informed. (1) The agreement requires Enbridge to temp shut done line 5 when adverse weather creates sustained waved in excess of eight feet in the Straights of Mackinaw (2); by June 2018 to evaluate additional state of art tools and underwater technologies that could help further inspect and maintain Line 5 (3); to put into place additional safety measures to further reduce the risk of anchor strikes from boats in the straights and replace Line 5 at the St. Clair river crossing and place the new pipeline under the river bed; and increase coordination with state government regarding the operations, maintenance, and future of line by increasing transparency and cooperation; and by June 2018 have evaluated three options for the event replacement of pipeline in the Straights of Mackinaw.(4)


Do you support or oppose continued operation of Line 5 in State of Michigan?
The first sentence is not true; the agreement will do little to protect the straights. The agreement is in fact designed to keep line five pumping before the result of public hearings on alternatives. Enbridge has withheld critical information during this process. For example, it concealed knowledge about gaps in the cladding and their emergency response information is heavily redacted, that is, the details about emergency response are blacked out. There is no mention that the Coast Guard in November testified to Congress that it did not have the capacity to respond to a spill. In fact the agreement was signed before public hearings on alternatives were completed.
Far more dangerous are winter ice which prevents any type of clean up and the currents that will always be there and widely disperse spills.


No mention is made that current inspections have repeatedly missed things like missing cladding and long sections of the pipeline undercut by currents and supported by nothing more than wishful thinking.

The study of alternatives has been improperly limited to the study of ways to keep Line 5 open, Enbridge has a long history of misleading and concealing informations, and has no inherit right to continue pumping oil under our Great Lakes.

I could go on, but why not go onto this website and voice your opposition to the pipeline. Today’s the last day and it’s as easy as signing in and saying that ‘Pipe Line is unsafe, Enbridge has a history of spills and deception and is putting at risk our precious waters for the sake of a 19th century fuel source” or your own words, like “Shut the line down NOW.” http://www.oilandwaterdontmix.org/submit_your_line_5_comment?splash=1


Other questions:


These are four things opponents say; do they make you more or less likely to support (or oppose? ) Line 5:


Putting in more technology to find out sooner when line five 5 ruptures is not the same as protecting the great lakes.


The agreement has good steps but these are only band-aids.


Five Native American tribes oppose the line five bc doesn’t protect tribal fishing rights.


This was a back-room deal worked out between Governor Snyder and Enbridge.

What is the current status of Line 5? I was not able to attend the meeting in St. Ignace . Didn’t the State know that Dynamic Risk was in the pocket of Enbridge? The only solution is to shut Line 5 down now. This must be attended to immediately as evidence of corrosion is much worse than Enbridge is saying. They have not been truthful about any spill they have been responsible for in the past. The equipment available at the Straits is woefully inadequate to address any spill. When are they going to tell the truth?

I’m coming to Traverse City on Wednesday, December 13 for the public hearing. I will be with a small group of 4 to 6 people driving from Lake George (near Clare) just for the evening. Is there a meeting place before the hearing where you would like us to gather beforehand? Is there a packet of info that you could email me? Is there a contact person?

I live in Greater Cincinnati but spend 5 months a year in Suttons Bay, MI. I have donated to Oil & Water Don’t Mix and have gotten involved the Line 5 protest. As I was doing research this morning to prepare to write a letter to the editor about the latest stunt by the Governor of MI, I came upon this recent article in USAToday about the top 20 onshore oil and gas spills since 2010 ( https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/11/17/top-20-onshore-oil-and-gas-spills/876390001/ ). I had never heard of the one in Dansville, MI in April, 2011. I tried doing some basic google research and came up with absolutely nothing about this incident other than a listing of it in this chart: https://primis.phmsa.dot.gov/comm/reports/safety/IncDetSt_st_MI_flt_sig.html


Do you know anything about it or do you know where I might find out more information on it? Considering its size, I am kind of perplexed about the lack of information on it.


Thanks.

Karen Wachs

I am considering working with MovOn.Org to post a petition regarding Line 5. You are the experts. I have some questions and would appreciate a chance to bounce ideas off you. Thanks

State rep Tristan Cole’s office has told me he will vote to close Line 5 if an independent group of engineers will inspect the line and they then call for line closuer. At this time, though, rep Cole’s office did not know who these engineers were or when the inspection would take place or how to contact them. Any of this ringing any bells?

Your website says Deadline for signing the Petition is August 4th yet you are asking people to sign now (Oct. 23rd). Is this deadline date correct? Also can you please provide the contact name/e-mail of a strong Oil & Water Don’t Mix representative in Kalamazoo? I want to discuss strategies with them ASAP. I am spreading the word in the Kalamazoo region.

I’m so happy to see an organization work to make a difference for everyone.

hello, There is a Community Art Build and Indigenous Storytelling starting 8:00 a.m. at Fenner Nature center in Lansing this Saturday, 10-21-17, to screen signs for Pipeline 5 rallies. Are we, as a group registered for that? There is a public forum later in the day for those that wish to help who are not in a registered group. Just checking. Thanks for keeping the fire lit. Water is life.

My son, 29, who is a children’s librarian and musician in Ferndale recently composed and recorded a song about Line 5 titled “No Swimming”. Jordan grew up on Lake Huron. Where can I email a copy of this ?

I’d like to conduct a phone interview a representative of Oil and Water Don’t Mix to do a write up on the issue, spreading awareness in Philadelphia. If you are interested, please give me a call. Jenna Spray at (812) 639-8742. Thank you.

Can we get some bumper stickers?

WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SPEAKER FROM YOUR ORGANIZATION TALK ABOUT PIPLINE # 5 TO THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF BERRIEN AND CASS COUNTIES.


PLEASE CALL DONNA DUTTON 269-469 -9763 TO DISCUSS.

9/8/2017 I just received a call on behalf of Enbridge, doing a poll on whether I support Enbridge pipeline. I don’t.

HI:

The Farmhouse B&B, located at Perrone Vineyards in Levering MI .. has rooms available for the bridge walk. We presently have several of your members staying with us..

Rate for your members is $69.00 per night; per couple; including tax.

Queen bed, private bath, breakfast, wine tasting, etc, etc.

Only minutes from the bridge.

Tele: 1-231-330-1493

I want to volunteer! I am retired. I can give my time. Money not so much..

I have been slow to voice my opposition to the Line 5.

input for questioner: line 5 problem. Oil andwater… need to talk to a metallurgist- with credentials. The problem with the line is the welds. 7 1/2 miles times 2 = 15 miles. That is 1500 welds. Those welds were not done under inert arc-welding condistions , therefore the welds are subject to carbides forming in the welds.(carbides are carbon crystals that are brittle -like glass). In industry carbides can be dissipated by annealing which spreads out the carbon molecules. This was not done at the weld site on Line 5 . The welds then are subject to fracture either under pressure or movement. {I am a member}

I belong to the environmental group of Traverse City Indivisible. We plan on a big turnout withe, hopefully all theIndivisiblegroups in our district all wearing like tee shirts. We would like to have a couple of rolls of stickers for shutting down the pipeline and need to know how to acquire them. Please advise. Thanks,

Maggie Singer