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  • William Twiddy
    commented 2017-08-04 11:26:37 -0400
    input for questioner: line 5 problem. Oil andwater… need to talk to a metallurgist- with credentials. The problem with the line is the welds. 7 1/2 miles times 2 = 15 miles. That is 1500 welds. Those welds were not done under inert arc-welding condistions , therefore the welds are subject to carbides forming in the welds.(carbides are carbon crystals that are brittle -like glass). In industry carbides can be dissipated by annealing which spreads out the carbon molecules. This was not done at the weld site on Line 5 . The welds then are subject to fracture either under pressure or movement. {I am a member}
  • Margaret Singer
    commented 2017-08-03 14:22:49 -0400
    I belong to the environmental group of Traverse City Indivisible. We plan on a big turnout withe, hopefully all theIndivisiblegroups in our district all wearing like tee shirts. We would like to have a couple of rolls of stickers for shutting down the pipeline and need to know how to acquire them. Please advise. Thanks,

    Maggie Singer
  • Gary Steinbach
    commented 2017-07-21 14:57:40 -0400
    My wife and I attended the meeting at hopcat in kalamazoo and wish yard signs would have been available. Org. missed an opportunity to get the word out
  • Julia Chambers
    followed this page 2017-07-17 23:33:09 -0400
  • Jay Richley
    commented 2017-07-14 08:32:34 -0400
    I recenntly e mail my concerns with Line 5 to my State Rep Michelle Hoitenga, as expected the answer was classic stating this is the most inspected pipeline and it’s very safe and I should not be concerned. Before I send her my follow up e mail, just how often is this line under the Straits and the Saint Mary’s river inspected ?
  • Alison Paton
    commented 2017-06-22 10:45:19 -0400
    I would urge you to make it clear on your website that your on-line petition is NOT the petition that is circulating to put the Line 5 issue on the November ballot for a vote of the people. People do not understand the difference — they believe that they have already signed the ballot petition just because they signed your on-line petition, and so then wrongly believe they don’t need to or cannot sign the ballot petition. Let’s not screw this up!!!!!
  • James Britt
    commented 2017-06-22 07:46:46 -0400
    When I try to send the e mail petition I am asked over and over to transcribe a security code to prove I am not a bot. Frustrating.
  • Anna Fisher
    commented 2017-06-13 08:28:31 -0400
    It was so unacceptable that people in my group that drove up from Lansing to Petosky yesterday for the Pipeline “Safety” Advisory Board meeting didn’t get to speak.

    One of the fellas got up at 4am to drive up. They all had worked hard preparing their comments, and one person in particular felt really bad about burning all those greenhouse gases to drive so far for the meeting, but he thought his comments were important. In addition, he is poor, and spending $50 in gas to drive up posed a real hardship for him. That he didn’t get to speak is rotten! For the public comment period after the studies are released, I know you are asking people to submit their comments to OWDM. What about comments to the PSAB that didn’t get to be expressed yesterday? Would you prefer they be submitted here or to the PSAB web-site? I didn’t see any tab where comments could be submitted.
  • Lynne Van Ness
    commented 2017-06-11 19:16:26 -0400
    I am all in to support whatever your group is doing! I am a co-founder of Indivisible Traverse City, and I know we all share the same goals.
  • Cecilia Droz
    commented 2017-06-07 18:43:28 -0400
    oops sorry, i see now where to get a sign, thx
  • Cecilia Droz
    commented 2017-06-07 18:40:39 -0400
    Im sure you realize by now the flyer that folds in thirds, distributed at the Peshawbetown Symposium, has the wrong text phone number. I have made copies and changed to the 231 area code.
  • Cecilia Droz
    commented 2017-06-07 18:38:23 -0400
    Need a yard sign please
  • Irish Hanley
    followed this page 2017-06-04 20:28:03 -0400
  • Irish Hanley
    commented 2017-06-04 20:22:37 -0400
    My QUESTION is: "What is he solution? Did no one have a plan to reinforce the pipeline once it neared its “Experitation Date”? Can they build another more sturdy structire to replace it and then stop using the old one?

    I think most folks are tired of hearing complaints and who and how to blame someone but NO THINKING FOLKS appear to be available to presnt SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS! Laws, coust , paper work all kep the lawyers employed but what we need are “DOERS” and Problem Solvers! SO sick of the Whining and complaining and always asking for donatins – Donations for what? For lawsuits and moe talk, talk, talk and ZIP ever gets DONE ! UGH
  • John Lizza
    commented 2017-05-25 12:52:35 -0400
    Hi, I am currently a high school student in the Grosse Pointe school system, I have to do a report on a current events issue, and I caught a glimpse of an article pertaining to this issue. I am really interested in learning about this issue, I will be writing an extensive paper on it and giving a presentation. Is there a specific email or number to have a conversation about this so I can raise awareness.
  • Luis Contreras
    commented 2017-05-19 15:34:36 -0400
    Hello from Arkansas, an amazing state, where crude oil pipelines don’t spill and oil is not toxic.

    Gov. Asa Hutchinson is running for a second term. Unlike Michigan’s Republican governor, Asa Hutchinson and 99.999 percent of our elected Republican representatives, endorse the Plains all American Diamond Pipeline.

    The crude shale oil comes from the Bakken and other fracking sites, on a bulk high-pressure line from Cushing Oklahoma to Memphis Tennessee, connecting with the CapLine, going to the Gulf where oil tankers will ship it overseas.

    In 2015, 92% of U.S. crude oil exports went to Canada, which was exempt from U.S. crude oil export restrictions. After restrictions were lifted, Canada remained the top destination but received only 58% of U.S. crude exports in 2016.

    Below is a story I wrote last week for our local newspaper, Diamond Interruptus.


    Arkansas media is controlled by the people telling the governor what to do. The only stories they run are about “protestors” arrested for non-violent resistance.

    Against all odds, the people will stop Diamond in a cherry-red state. I would be happy to share how this will be done with our Michigan friends.
  • Christian Smith
    commented 2017-05-18 12:13:26 -0400
    I don’t see anything on the website about the ballot initiative being led by Keep Our Lakes Great, does this organization support the ballot proposal or not? If so, please place a link in a prominent location on the website.
  • Edward Haskins
    commented 2017-04-28 11:10:15 -0400
    Have or should the Attorney Generals of contiguous states, such as Illinois and Wisconsin, respond to the letter from Michigan’s Attorney General, Bill Schuette’s, decision to “stand on the sidelines” by failing to enforce legal requirements on pipeline operator Enbridge Energy Partners, who put all the Great Lakes at risk from a catastrophic oil spill in the Straits of Mackinac. In the event of an oil spill, these neighboring states will be subject to monumental costs for infrastructure abatement and repair, for degradation to their clean water supplies and for impact to the citizens and industries. These contiguous neighboring states and other downstream states should estimate the dollar value, hundreds of millions to billions of dollars, that Michigan will be sued for failing to enforce Enbridge Energy Partners complete correction of this pipeline system’s potential catastrophic failure.
  • Suzanne Sorkin
    commented 2017-04-28 09:57:00 -0400
    Hi, I’d like to submit comments to the governor about the importance of shutting down Line 5. Can you please let me know how to submit such comments?
  • Hannah Wagar
    commented 2017-04-26 11:09:57 -0400
    Hello, My name is Hannah Wagar and I am a sophomore at Petoskey High school in Northern Michigan. I am apart of a school environmrntal group and we want to help as much as possible. How can me and my group teach others on this issue (Pipeline 5, alternative energy, etc.) and the effects of the Great Lakes? Also considering we are almost about 16 years old, how can we get involved? Thank you!
  • Ron Kardos
    commented 2017-04-24 08:41:36 -0400
    After reading some recent emails, it isn’t clear if the original intent was to have Line 5 shut down completely or to just shut it down across the Straits. Pleas advise me.
  • Kathie Weinmann
    commented 2017-04-17 13:48:10 -0400
    I am registered for Lobby Day on 4/19, but have a scheduling conflict for the Call-In tonight. Will I be able to listen later on line? THX!
  • Bill Latka
    commented 2017-04-09 23:02:05 -0400

    Enbridge owns a vast network of pipelines that do not cut through the Great Lakes. Why don’t they use those to transport this oil? They doubled the capacity of their Line 6B just a few years ago (after they spilled 1M gallons of oil into the Kalamazoo River watershed) – do you think they might have some capacity there?

    This multi-billion dollar company has unlimited resources to maintain their line, and so a nonprofit and tens of thousands of Michigan residents who wish to protect the Great Lakes from an oil spill will not stop them from doing what they could and should do to prevent their pipe from rupturing.

    The problem is all pipelines leak. The Great Lakes is simply no place for an oil pipeline.

    Thank you for expressing your concerns.
  • Kathleen Ballard
    commented 2017-04-09 13:53:13 -0400
    Your organization is just a HUGE waste of money & time. You are blocking the maintainence of a pipeline hoping for a disaster so you can have a cause!! Let the company do its due diligence without your uneducated & bleeding heart interference. You don’t support putting this fuel on trucks or rails. How do you suggest this product be moved?
  • Mary Maiorano
    commented 2017-04-08 12:10:14 -0400
    I have a meeting scheduled with Fred Upton. I am allowed to bring one person. The meeting will take place in Kalamazoo. Is there someone in this area who would be interested in attending the meeting with him. The focus on my meeting will be Line 5.
  • Tanner Evans
    commented 2017-03-29 17:38:27 -0400
    Hi, my name is Tanner Evans and I am a filmmaker at Michigan State University. I am currently working on a short documentary about Line 5 and would love to interview someone involved with this organization about the issue. Please feel free to email/call me whenever you can. I left my information in the boxes below. Thanks!
  • Larry Gephart
    commented 2017-03-20 16:19:44 -0400
    At the pipeline advisory board meeting in Lansing there was a Gentleman that presented the board with an independent report of the condition of the line. i was wondering if any one knows how i can get a copy of that report?
  • Lara Jesiek
    commented 2017-03-15 09:13:26 -0400
    I wonder—- Who would help me and be interested in helping put together a Local Line 5 Fundraiser and community Awareness event? - My last event wasnt half as much as i had hoped, and tho i had some help which i was blessed and grateful for i needed more.. And thanks to the weather, few showed up.. none of my speakers made it, the drum didnt make it.. everything was falling through on me..

    However, with all the movements for Line 5, Id like to see about possibly doing something with that.. I have many left over items from this past auction id like to use up and more Id like to see about gathering..

    Id like to find speakers, Id like to find those who work with oil and water, and flow, and even ex army corps of engineers and dow chemicals specialsts Such as Dr Ed Timm, that live here to come and speak.. Id like to invite people i know who were involved in animal clean up for the Line 6 Spill in Kalamazoo. —

    Id like to offer a presentation of what we stand to lose, raise money for the protest – so we can make it BIGGER this year… I mean Honestly id like to shut the BRIDGE DOWN with people to make a statement… How amazing would that be?
    I want to see hundreds of people in the floatilla.. Id like to get word out now!!!!.. Thats what we Need..

    Soooooooooo Who would be interested in helping me? Do you think this would be something good to do?? Im going to need the help from my community too.. I cant do it alone!!!!!….

    THOUGHTS?? -—— IDEAS?? -—— PLEASE PRESENT THEM!!!!!!!! <3 Thank you - Kchi migwetch!!!!…
  • Mardi Link
    commented 2017-02-27 13:31:38 -0500
    Is there someone at your organization who would speak to a class of local student journalists? I’m the writer fellow for Front Street Writers at the Career Tech Center in Traverse City and we are researching Line 5, plan to write a special report on the issues, and would like to invite someone from OilandWaterDontMix to visit our class, explain the issues facing Michigan regarding the pipeline and answer questions.
  • Brock Johnson
    commented 2017-02-17 22:14:38 -0500
    hi i love your website, i do not want to see this happen to great lakes. i love the great lakes may i share your website and talk to other people to stop it because i think we can do anything!

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