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  • Allan Shelley
    commented 2021-10-14 22:23:18 -0400
    I plan onpicketing the EnBridge H in 2 weeks. May I use some of your data rgarding how unsafe Line 5 is?
  • Thomas Anderson
    commented 2021-10-06 18:08:10 -0400
    You are ineffictively approaching this from a substantive cause-effect standpoint — that is plainly precluded by the treaty. The resolution is to be found by demanding STRICT LEGAL COMPLIANCE with the formalistic language of the treaty. It says what it means, and means what it says.

    Argue this: “PIPE: II. A hollow cylinder or tube through which something may pass…” Oxford English Discionary. By definition, a hollow cylinder with holes in it is not a “line of pipes” when less than all of the contents do not “pass” through it. Instead, it is a harmful object not contemplated by the treaty. Line 5 is no longer a “line of pipes.”

    In all cases, the origin of the word PIPE is the musical wind instrument. For demonstration before a tribunal, take a wind instrument, drill a bunch of random holes in it. First play an undrilled pipe, and show how well it sounds. Next play the drilled pipe, and explain why it sounds so badly. Then point out that the drilled instrument no longer functions as a pipe. Thus, no longer being a pipe, Line 5 cannot be covered by the treaty — which only pertains to a line of pipes which transport virtually ALL the matertial which enters. Is a car really a car, when there is no air in the tires? At what point does scrap metal stop being a car?

    This is how liberal capitalists operate, by redefining things. Capitalists do not conserve, they liberally waste, to take equitable value by the most easy manner possible at the expense of everything else.
  • Tony Conley
    commented 2021-09-20 18:09:04 -0400
  • Kevin Kamps
    commented 2021-09-02 20:10:44 -0400
    Hi Oil & Water Don’t Mix,

    Ann Rogers at NMEAC directed me to the website to add my organization, Beyond Nuclear, as a member of your coalition. I could very likely get other groups I’m affiliated with to do the same. Please let me know how to do this. Thanks!

    Kevin Kamps

    Radioactive Waste Specialist, Beyond Nuclear

    Board of Directors Member, Don’t Waste Michigan, Kalamazoo/Lake Michigan Chapter

    Advisory Board Member, Citizens for Alternatives to Chemical Contamination
  • Kevin Kamps
    commented 2021-09-01 15:11:10 -0400
    Hi. Can I info. table this Saturday at the Water Is Life Festival? I am with Beyond Nuclear and Don’t Waste Michigan. Our focus is protecting the Great Lakes against nuclear power, radioactive waste, and radiation risks. Thanks!

    —-Kevin Kamps, 240-462-3216, [email protected]
  • Roger Sheldon
    commented 2021-08-30 01:12:05 -0400
    Hello, My name is Roger Sheldon – I work as a ghostwriter, photographer, and marketer for some 501c3 organizations and for an environmentally concerned gallery along Lake Huron. I have spend my entire life on there shores of the Great Lakes – and I mean literally on the shores; from their frozen tunnels formed in winter to the frigid early summer swims, to the warm late summer water and brisk early autumn winds to the late autumn gales. It frustrates me how little the wonder and bounty the lakes have provided, do provide, and could continue to (indefinitely with modest planning and restraint). An entire culture grew to mammoth significance, novelty, rarity, and depth during the rush of shipping opportunities, sailors, ships, and wrecks occupied millions on a freshwater sea capable of claiming remarkable casualties – and yet this culture, like the rare ecosystem that inspired it, has been under-appreciated and decimated – like the flora, the fauna, and the water purity of the lakes. Part of the problem is the historical misuse of the resource primarily through the dilution is the solution mentality – the exploitation of water as a finite and disposable resource; using the immense freshwater of the lakes to operate chemical plants, accommodate the timber industry, float large cargo vessels to and from destinations in the midwest breadbasket to The Atlantic, the gulf, to Eastern Canada, etc. The lakes are a one-of-a-kind feature that is valuable simply for it’s novelty, beauty, and purity – and we are losing the opportunity to really maintain the lake’s viability through invasive species introduction, historical over-fishing and killing of native fish stocks, and the gradual pollution with pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers, medications, etc… Rather than abuse the lakes, it would be most wise to utilize them in the pursuit of preserving them – and stop selling the water to Coke and Nestle for less than citizens of the state! OMG, this state’s natural resources have been so absurdly squandered. It is so frustrating.
    I have been establishing with the ownership of the gallery I work with a concept whereas we could encourage customers to donate to the Line 5 cause – obviously any solution that results in a scenario where Michigan and Huron aren’t potentially entirely wiped out as a resource and biologically in a single event, with Eerie and Ontario, along with numerous rivers, Lake Saint Clair, the entire Saint Lawrence becoming hazardous because of Canadian oil needs superseding all logic – embridge has already proven they will not maintain their resources, and have already caused the largest inland oil spill to date, letting them continue to do this is lunacy, and it’s urgent. I tell people about this all of the time. So, the question is, would it be possible to setup something like a “donate $1” type drive as is done at a lot of fast food joints and grocery stores, but this would be at a lakeshore giftshop and art gallery – but the visiting demographics should be highly receptive given a good portion arrive by boat. Further, I have been wanting to incorporate the Line 5 cause into some of the environmental causes the 501C3 I primarily work with focuses on… In addition, I could help draw more attention through simply partnering with a collective of charity organizations dedicated to sincere press, pragmatic government, and rational environmental policy… It could benefit your visibility. I would be so sick if I discovered there was an oil spill on Huron/Michigan. OMG. it’s disgusting to imagine.

    Let me know the feasibility and openness/logistics to engineering the above into a reality and partnership between myself, the entities I work with, and the cause of ending the utterly obnoxious risk that is line 5.

    excuse me – I just get so saddened and frustrated by this – it is so shortsighted that Line 5 still exists as an active pipeline; it’s just insanity.

    Thank you,

    -Roger Sheldon
  • Maya Aronoff
    commented 2021-08-20 16:08:27 -0400
    Hi there! I’m writing as someone who grew up in MI and is trying to return to the state to join this fight. I was wondering if I could speak to someone from your organization about the status quo of the fight against Line 5, the role of the Army Corps ongoing environmental impact research, and the current timeline of the fight. My email is [email protected] and my number is 5172156791
  • John Donabedian
    commented 2021-08-16 11:04:41 -0400
    I don’t want to sound like a fear monger, but it just dawned on me that we may be missing one of the most dangerous risks that a oil pipeline or tunnel poses to the Great Lakes and US national security. My concern is that as fresh water becomes more scarce and valuable as a natural resource it also becomes an obvious terrorist target. Having an oil line intertwined with the Great Lakes becomes the means to destroy this valuable natural resource. I don’t like to spread fear, but in this case the fear of a viable terrorist plot to rob us of such a valuable resource might be the motivating tool for people to wise up about not mixing oil with water.

    Neo conservatives having been playing the fear card very successfully since 9/11, maybe it’s time we leverage the fear of putting a terrorist target in our Great Lakes to wake people up to the stupid risks Enbridge wants to expose us to.
  • Rebecca Terpening
    commented 2021-08-06 23:30:10 -0400
    MISolidarity is organizing a Progressive Solidarity Summit on October 2nd 2021. We’re inviting people and organizations to join us for a day of meeting and networking with progressives from across Michigan, cool speakers, and awesome entertainment. We would like the focus for this year’s event to be on Environmental issues in Michigan.

    Growing strong social networks across the progressive and leftist communities in Michigan is a critical step towards building real, resilient, and lasting political power in our state and across our country.

    Join us on October 2nd 2021 to meet progressives from across the state, learn about progressive organizations, enjoy a full program of speakers and entertainment, while growing your knowledge, networks, and communities. We’ll announce the full program once it’s finalized – watch this space:


    If you are interested in sponsoring this event or setting up a table at it, please email [email protected]
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    commented 2021-07-23 15:58:25 -0400
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  • Arthur Hirsch
    commented 2021-06-15 20:09:55 -0400
    I did not understand the answer to the environmental impact question…can you give me David Holtz phone # or email?
  • Linda Weide
    commented 2021-06-13 13:10:06 -0400
    Fourth Grade Water Conservationists

    Dear Oil and Water Don’t Mix,

    Our fourth grade students have been studying water conservation because they decided in a fall election simulation it was an environmental issue of concern to them. In the spring we returned to final election campaign topics and here is our response. Children took on 6 topics in teams. Each team designed a t-shirt for our Etsy shop and made a campaign video. The team that chose your organization is donating all t-shirt proceeds for the oil and water campaign to Oil and Water Don’t Mix. This shop is designed to keep on going. I am sharing with you links to our Etsy shop and our videos. 

    Etsy Shop https://www.etsy.com/shop/SavetheGreatLakes?ref=shop_sugg

    Water Conservation Videos on University of Chicago Laboratory Schools Youtube Site


    We also support HB 1352 and shutting down Enbridge pipeline #5 in Lake Michigan. Please pass these on to people whom you think would be sympathetic.

    We appreciate the work you are doing.

    Respectfully, Linda Weide
  • Tara Snyder
    commented 2021-05-28 15:45:30 -0400
  • Michael Baird
    commented 2021-05-26 09:21:52 -0400
    05/26/2021, I was reading an article in the Detroit Free Press online edition this morning about a campaign to open the US/Canadian border when I came across this quote by James Cudmore, a spokesman for Bill Blair, Canada’s minister of public service and emergency preparedness: “when and how to reopen the border will be made in Canada, with the best interest of Canadians as our top priority,”.

    I found his official one-sided extreme attitude rather alarming and grossly hypocritical, especially when weighed against the current situation that exists with regards to Line 5 and it’s continuing operation and endangerment to Michigan, the Straits of Mackinac and the Great Lakes.

    One of my immediate thoughts was, could this man’s quote, this official Canadian position on international relations somehow be used against Enbridge and the official support they have received from the Ontario government in the campaign to shut down Line 5?

    Canada is obviously saying Canada First and Canada for Canadians, but they are more than willing to stick their noses in US and specifically Michigan’s business. The hypocrisy needs to be publicly and loudly pointed out.
  • Tyler Dame
    commented 2021-05-12 20:48:13 -0400
    All i see in your reports and info, are “what ifs”! Really no thought or research has been put into this group. I mean other then ruining thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Canadian lives. Have you done any research on Enbridge’s Policies and procedure regarding the maintenance of line five? If they reflect any of the provinces extensive safety legislation and regulations, their inspection and maintenance requirements especially within such a high risk area, is sure to be thorough. I mean the oil & gas industry in Canada goes a step above most legislated requirements when it comes to Health, Safety & Environment. This pipeline has been there for what 57 years? And now there is an issue? Did the pandemic bore you, so now your out to destroy Canadian lives? Did you research any of the implications that might arise from having this pipeline shut down? My guess is not, because who cares about the lives of an individual person or hundreds of thousands of lives. As long as you are heard i guess… I mean at this point why doesn’t everyone just go back to the good ol’ days where we got our hands dirty everyday working them coal mines for our fuel, or even better we just wont heat our houses. Cant use wood, damages the forest, cant use oil/fuel because it pollutes the earth, cant use coal because it pollutes the atmosphere, maybe solar power if you can find away to build it without some sort of petroleum bi-product. Even then, are you going to depend on it in the middle of winter… i think not. So why do this? Are you getting paid? If i were to do some research into this group, would i find payments from groups such as the Rockefeller Group?

    I saw a post earlier about the spills…1) i didn’t read anything about a spill happening in the lake itself which this group is all about… 2) the last relevant date i had seen attached to a spill was 1990. If you were to do your research Canadian legislation and regulation, even American have come a long way since then. 3) Regulations and legislation within Canada are being improved yearly. 4) Seems to me, you may want to go after your own government for their lack of regulations. 5) There are spills that are on-going in the gulf, of the coast of LA, wouldn’t your efforts be better off fighting on that front? Ive seen drilling rigs in the middle of cities in America, haven’t in Canada. have you looked at what sort of health effects that has on the surrounding communities that reside around those drilling rigs? My guess is not, only concerned about Canadian made oil…
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  • Bill Savage
    commented 2021-05-07 15:57:41 -0400
    Recently I saw a notice for a peaceful Call to Action in the Straits area, specifically at the McGulpin State Park on March 12. It was a professionally crafted notice. From the information within it, I was able to visit your site (this one) and in the events section/page nothing is listed for the 12th, only the 13th is mentioned. I’m confused now. I plan to be there but it’s a long drive and I don’t want to miss anything by coming on the wrong date. What date is it going to be on? 12th? 13th? Thank you.
  • John Forslin
    commented 2021-04-10 18:06:50 -0400
    Enbridge pays $67 million in prop taxes. How will communities be held harmless on this?
  • Brian Fathers
    commented 2021-03-17 11:05:30 -0400
    Hi. In order to protect the great lakes you need to ban tanker traffic that will sale from west lake superior to Sarnia. They will use this mode if the pipeline is shut down. Tanker traffic already leaves Sarnia loaded with refined product.
  • Margaret Mann-DeVos
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  • Margaret Mann-DeVos
    commented 2021-02-17 23:34:44 -0500
    2/17/21. Hello, I was watching TV tonight and an ad came on (by Enbridge) telling people that if Line 5 is shut down, then this will impact our energy needs here in Michigan, especially low income families.. Everything in the ad was a lie and my first thought was 1) they are getting desperate, 2) how can they get away with this? ($$$) and 3) it really pissed me off. Any thoughts on this?

    Margaret Mann-DeVos, BSN,RN
  • Bill Latka
    commented 2020-11-27 18:48:07 -0500

    Line 5 has spilled 29 times and 1.1 million gallons.

  • Nick Allen
    commented 2020-11-27 18:19:52 -0500
    What dates did spills occur on line 5? Enbridge and the CBC both posting that there has been no leaks in the pipelines history. It’s almost 1” thick walled.
  • Hannah Berge
    commented 2020-11-18 11:20:17 -0500
    Hi! I produce a national Canadian radio show called The Evan Solomon Show. We’d love to speak with someone from your organization about the Line 5 pipeline that connects to Canada.

    We’re hoping to do this interview at 12:20pm ET today. It will be a 10 minute live phone interview. Please let me know if anyone is available!


  • Bill Latka
    commented 2020-11-13 14:05:35 -0500
    While the Governor’s action today does not stop the tunnel permitting process, the existing dual pipelines shutting down will have a profound impact on our understanding of whether the tunnel is necessary at all.
  • Jeff Smith
    commented 2020-11-13 13:49:26 -0500
    What does the news today about Gov. Whitmer shutting down Line 5 mean for the pipeline tunnel that is being proposed?
  • Tori Jarosh
    commented 2020-11-11 11:39:22 -0500
    Hi Hi, I’m wondering if you have identified a specific propane distributor in Superior WI who may be able to provide alternative propane services to the U.P.

  • Patricia Janizek
    commented 2020-10-06 15:27:53 -0400
    You requested that people make comments before a hearing. If my residence is outside of the state of Michigan, do you still want comments?
  • Tom Spees
    commented 2020-09-29 15:37:07 -0400
    Hello I am a Great Lakes sailor, and plan to generate support for the Line 5 fight with Lake Michigan Yacht clubs. I am based in Chicago and West MI. Who can I contact to discuss this with? I am pretty passionate about making some things happen. Thanks kindy! Tom Spees, [email protected] or (m) 773.447.9301
  • Mary Ann Baier
    commented 2020-07-25 19:53:37 -0400
    I saw an editorial, Friday July 24 2020, in the Detroit News. “Line 5 tunnel project best bet for Michigan”. I am distraught about my friend, who thinks that this editorial has the only solution. He thinks Govenor Whitmer has it wrong and should not block building the tunnel. I really don’t know what to tell him. I feel like I need to defend the Givenor’s decision.

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